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Gee, Thanks HP...Your Support Stinks!
Wednesday, 19 December 2007

Update 3: I am now able to boot using no special commands like noapic with the newest nVidia beta driver (169.07). The driver itself has problems as it keeps me from using the console as it is extremely fuzzy, and moves around too...it also seems to prevent me from being able to properly reboot or shutdown.


Update 2: Many people think I don't have linux running on the laptop...I do, I am just not satisfied, as lapic is not functional, thus I can't save power and have more speed as a result of using High Res Timers...Other than that, it is a great laptop...except for the fact they wanted to charge me $700 to put in a new lcd...I did that myself for $200....see that rant here.

Update 1: Oh...and to HP: I apologize if I came across as trying to defame HP, or trying to imply that the quality is not good. I was more or less going on trying to get a good response from the geek community in order to fix my problem...which hundreds, possibly thousands of other folks have. I love my laptop, I just dislike having to disable apic at boot...I found a fix for the lapic bug, though, which turned out to be the bios, but the fix disables a bios setting that is hidden. So I can use HR timers and dynticks now...I apologize to HP for any misunderstanding. There are employees at HP that care, and I have been in contact with a couple of them..contrary to popular belief, they actually care about getting Linux on the HP lines.

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Well, I am sick of not being able to use High Resolution timers, which my hardware supports on my HP dv9205us laptop, but the BIOS has bugs, and will not allow me to, because it won't boot Linux without the "noapic" in grub's boot parameters. This feature would greatly speed my computer up, and use it's full potential...It is really nice of HP to use the "the customer is always right" mentality, especially when I contacted them and asked nicely if they could fix the bios and re-release it...here's what I got back:


Hello Matt,

Thank you for contacting HP Total Care.
From your message, I understand that you would like to have a fix for BIOS compatible with the Linux Operating System.

I am very sorry to inform you that, HP supports only the preinstalled Operating System. HP is unable to guarantee how Linux Operating system will function on a PC not originally designed and/or tested for this new operating system.

Matt, HP does not recommend installing of Linux Operating System, it could not guarantee a high level of compatibility for all basic hardware and software components of the PCs. PC device drivers (including graphics, BIOS, chipset, etc) for some PC components may simply not be available. I regret for the inconvinence caused. HP does not support Linux on any models of HP Pavilion PCs at this time. Information about Linux can be located at the following Web site:


http://h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/index.html

HP pre-installed the latest version of the Microsoft Windows operating System (98, Me, XP or Vista) on your Pavilion PC. The Warranty on your Pavilion system does not apply to software not provided by HP and does not apply to defects or errors in hardware resulting from software not provided by HP with that system. Please review your PC documentation to identify the supported operating system.

I once again apologize for any inconvenience that this information has caused you.
If you need further assistance, please reply to this message and we will be happy to assist you further.

Sincerely,
HP Goon


Well...wasn't that nice of them, to basically tell me to screw off in a friendly way?...Anyone good at bios hacking? How about somebody mods this bios for me and fixes it, and perhaps unlocks all of the "hidden" features within while you're at it? You'd have to find a way to test it other than using my computer, but emulators are available... parwok -at- gmail







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21. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 19-12-2007 16:31 - Guest
 
 
Yeah, it sucks, but oh well. So HP laptops don't let you use the high resolution timer. They weren't designed for Linux. When you buy a laptop these days, you're buying the finished product, including OS and all...they are by no means required to cater to your every want. So, yes, it'd be nice, but don't go into conniptions because it doesn't work.
 
22. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 19-12-2007 18:07 - Guest
 
 
Actually I agree on HP's response. They are contractually and legally obligated to only support you based on the terms of purchase of your machine. In this case when you purchased your HP Pavillion you agreed to use the approved version of Microsoft Vista (the provided OEM version) that came with the machine otherwise your warranty is void. 
 
By re-installing your HP Pavillion with a "non-approved" operation system, you have technically voided the warranty and HP is within their legal rights to NOT even offer any support to your request, but yet they have taken time to respond to your email and point to resources that *MIGHT* solve your problem. 
 
HP has already done research and quality control to ensure it works the provided operating system, if you wanted your HP Pavillion to run linux on a HP machine, I think you should have done some homework to find out which ones has the necessary drivers and support. AFAIK HP has a range of PC/Laptops/Workstations that have OFFICIAL linux support. 
 
Further more HP is NOT directly responsible for BIOS fixes as that is normally handled by the motherboard manufacturer that provides to HP (which is normally Intel), so maybe it might be worth your while to find out what type of motherboard you're using and start doing footwork from there. 
 
I'm inclined to believe you *MAY* have mis-configured certain BIOS settings or your Kernel configuration (during compile?) that has lead you to your predicament. I've been using Linux since the Kernel 1.8 days and installed Linux on various types of machines with little to no problems and I urge you to look carefully into your own methodologies before pointing fingers. 
 
Besides I highly doubt you want corporate goons to slap with your a defamation suit ;)
 
23. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 19-12-2007 18:24 - Guest
 
 
:grin This is exactly what HP told me when I contacted them about the same thing a while back. I eventually figured out how to make it all work, so what did I do? I got rid of the "advanced OS that HP supports", went full pledged Linux, and vowed never to buy anything HP again.
 
24. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 19-12-2007 20:31 - Guest
 
 
24. No it's nothing like that, it's more like changing the engine in a car you bought and expecting them to fix the transmission you jury rigged to work under warranty.
 
25. Written by idiotonuni on 19-12-2007 21:19 - Guest
 
 
wow thanks for the heads up. I was thinking about buying an HP Pavilion and then making it dual boot with vista and Ubuntu, but i guess not, Sorry Hp you hvae lost at least one sale due to this post.
 
26. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 20-12-2007 00:06 - Guest
 
 
So here is the deal. After the merger of HP, Compaq and DEC , what was left was 3 PC manufactures making the same old craply home like desktops and laptops under one name HP.  
 
All of the consumer home line of PC's made by HP suck and should not ever be purchased. The are made with the understanding that most of the people who will buy them will run windows. They will use the computer for about 3 to 5 years . At which the windows they have installed will be so messed up with viruses, spyware, junk software, disk fragmentation. They will not be able to tell a hardware issue from a software issue and they will buy another HP when the computer stops working, thinking they have a worn out computer . Like they have hole in their shoe they buy a new shoe and not fix the hole.  
 
HP's business line of desktops is and laptops is what you should look at for running linux , bsd or any other os . HP even sells some of the desktops in the business line with Suse Linux, and even FreeDOS. The general idea here is that most business users will have some sort of support staff who will want to get things fixed and not just throw them out when they do not work. Also business work on a long term budget . So a computer you have to tinker with "costs' more then one that just works all the time. This is why the business line of computers work better then the home lines. HP is using better parts and better engineering to build the boxes.  
 
As for Dell their deal is different . Rather then design a good computer that does not have many issues . The have a better supply chain that can get replacement parts to almost all of its users in a timely fashion. I comment Dell for this they have a great way to get you parts. However this still makes a crappy computer. This is a stupid idea dell does not make a good anything except stupid consumers who think they are getting a bargain . Dell uses lower grade parts and engineering, have you ever tried to open a dell server vs say a sun server.  
 
Remember buy quality, if its cheep and its a computer chances are you are buying a poorly made computer.
 
27. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 20-12-2007 05:34 - Guest
 
 
They didn't say it would support Linux... Why should it? It was designed for Vista why on earth would they have to support it under anything else?
 
28. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 20-12-2007 12:31 - Guest
 
 
You bought a home (consumer) model which only support the Windows environment. Since HP offers several business class models that support Linux, why didn't you purchase one of them? Talk about putting a round peg in a square hole. As for the response from HP, I think you got a nice response considering what I would have said to someone trying this stunt. BTW, don't try to install VMWare's ESX, Novell NetWare or Sun Solaris either. They probably weren't tested either.
 
29. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 21-12-2007 11:56 - Guest
 
 
I have a DV9000Z which suffers from the same problem. There's a thread on forums.gentoo.org which explains how to work around the apic problem. Its very strange but has been working for me for a few weeks. 
 
Using 2.6.23 kernel enable nvidiafb (Device Drivers -> Graphics Support -> NVidia Frame Buffer Support) as a module. 
 
Also enable module auto loading so it loads automatically on start up. 
 
I still get boot hangs once in a while (its been a few weeks), but once it hits that module apic and lapic work just fine for me. The only problem I have now is my BCM4028 using NDISWrapper which hangs my networking every two or three days. 
 
It used to be that if you loaded nvidiafb, then the nvidia binary X drivers wouldn't work, but that's not the case with 2.6.23. 
 
Good luck, 
 
Brian
 

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